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	<title>Comments on: Go ahead &#8211; &#8217;steal&#8217; my content</title>
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		<title>By: What is a blogger worth - what are my words worth? — Shooting at Bubbles</title>
		<link>http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008/04/11/go-ahead-steal-my-content/comment-page-1/#comment-52361</link>
		<dc:creator>What is a blogger worth - what are my words worth? — Shooting at Bubbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and reposting them on the Shyftr site and letting people comment within Shyftr on those posts. There were a lot of really good posts from either side of the issue of whether what Shyftr was doing was right [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and reposting them on the Shyftr site and letting people comment within Shyftr on those posts. There were a lot of really good posts from either side of the issue of whether what Shyftr was doing was right [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why bother saying anything — Shooting at Bubbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why bother saying anything — Shooting at Bubbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or how Mathew Ingram thinks it is crossing a line. I was even going to debate the finer points of Frederic&#8217;s statement of letting them steal his content or even discuss Louis&#8216; points about how it&#8217;s fine for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or how Mathew Ingram thinks it is crossing a line. I was even going to debate the finer points of Frederic&#8217;s statement of letting them steal his content or even discuss Louis&#8216; points about how it&#8217;s fine for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Do What You Like With My Comments : The Last Podcast</title>
		<link>http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008/04/11/go-ahead-steal-my-content/comment-page-1/#comment-50162</link>
		<dc:creator>Do What You Like With My Comments : The Last Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 06:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] position here is similar to my position about distributed comments or publishing my full feed in your service (as long as it ads value beyond just scraping my text - that&#8217;s just morally wrong): I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] position here is similar to my position about distributed comments or publishing my full feed in your service (as long as it ads value beyond just scraping my text &#8211; that&#8217;s just morally wrong): I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why I&#8217;m Okay With My Content Being a Commodity : The Last Podcast</title>
		<link>http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008/04/11/go-ahead-steal-my-content/comment-page-1/#comment-49493</link>
		<dc:creator>Why I&#8217;m Okay With My Content Being a Commodity : The Last Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alert Thingy goes V 1.1WinExtra &#187; What is a blogger worth - what are my words worth? on Go ahead - &#8217;steal&#8217; my contentEdwin Khodabakchian on Go ahead - &#8217;steal&#8217; my contentAlert Thingy Desktop App [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alert Thingy goes V 1.1WinExtra &raquo; What is a blogger worth &#8211; what are my words worth? on Go ahead &#8211; &#8217;steal&#8217; my contentEdwin Khodabakchian on Go ahead &#8211; &#8217;steal&#8217; my contentAlert Thingy Desktop App [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WinExtra &#187; What is a blogger worth - what are my words worth?</title>
		<link>http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008/04/11/go-ahead-steal-my-content/comment-page-1/#comment-49476</link>
		<dc:creator>WinExtra &#187; What is a blogger worth - what are my words worth?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and reposting them on the Shyftr site and letting people comment within Shyftr on those posts. There were a lot of really good posts from either side of the issue of whether what Shyftr was doing was right [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and reposting them on the Shyftr site and letting people comment within Shyftr on those posts. There were a lot of really good posts from either side of the issue of whether what Shyftr was doing was right [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Khodabakchian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin Khodabakchian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@frederic. I think that you are right: a simple attribute on the RSS feed would help clarify this discussion. 

In the meantime, I think that people have been implicitly inferring that: partial feed  attribute=only use partial content and full feed  it is ok to display the entire content with attribution and reference to the source. But if some people are offended by this, we should go the extra step and clarify it further in the feed.

@tony: given that it is the end user which is importing your feed in shyftr, it would be operationally impossible for shyftr to contact every RSS feed owner and get an explicit approval to display the content included in the RSS feed. Operationally, it is much easier for people who would like their content not displayed to publish a partial feed. 

If we do not go through this discussion and find a model where both people like you and people like Frederic, Louis, Scoble (who do not care about having their content being syndicated because what they care most is to have a share of the user attention), it is the end user which is going to pay the price because services will be forced the same constraint (show only partial content, which is what shyftr ended up rolling back to) and a large number of users really hate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@frederic. I think that you are right: a simple attribute on the RSS feed would help clarify this discussion. </p>
<p>In the meantime, I think that people have been implicitly inferring that: partial feed  attribute=only use partial content and full feed  it is ok to display the entire content with attribution and reference to the source. But if some people are offended by this, we should go the extra step and clarify it further in the feed.</p>
<p>@tony: given that it is the end user which is importing your feed in shyftr, it would be operationally impossible for shyftr to contact every RSS feed owner and get an explicit approval to display the content included in the RSS feed. Operationally, it is much easier for people who would like their content not displayed to publish a partial feed. </p>
<p>If we do not go through this discussion and find a model where both people like you and people like Frederic, Louis, Scoble (who do not care about having their content being syndicated because what they care most is to have a share of the user attention), it is the end user which is going to pay the price because services will be forced the same constraint (show only partial content, which is what shyftr ended up rolling back to) and a large number of users really hate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Fractured Commenting (I&#8217;m late to this, but I&#8217;m early, too) :: sarahintampa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fractured Commenting (I&#8217;m late to this, but I&#8217;m early, too) :: sarahintampa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was going to stay out of this one because I feel like I&#8217;ve already voiced my opinion on it, but then found I just couldn&#8217;t resist: the weekend&#8217;s bitchmeme was fractured commenting in the blogosphere. On Deep Jive Interests Tony started the conversation by getting riled up over Shyftr, Louis Gray pushed the meme forward, and then Scoble said bloggers have lost control. Numerous others had their say too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was going to stay out of this one because I feel like I&#8217;ve already voiced my opinion on it, but then found I just couldn&#8217;t resist: the weekend&#8217;s bitchmeme was fractured commenting in the blogosphere. On Deep Jive Interests Tony started the conversation by getting riled up over Shyftr, Louis Gray pushed the meme forward, and then Scoble said bloggers have lost control. Numerous others had their say too. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WinExtra &#187; Why bother saying anything</title>
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		<dc:creator>WinExtra &#187; Why bother saying anything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or how Mathew Ingram thinks it is crossing a line. I was even going to debate the finer points of Frederic&#8217;s statement of letting them steal his content or even discuss Louis&#8216; points about how it&#8217;s fine for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or how Mathew Ingram thinks it is crossing a line. I was even going to debate the finer points of Frederic&#8217;s statement of letting them steal his content or even discuss Louis&#8216; points about how it&#8217;s fine for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shyftr: Feed theft or social news reader? - mathewingram.com/work</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shyftr: Feed theft or social news reader? - mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to it. Eric Berlin&#8217;s thoughts are here. And Frederic from The Last Podcast says he&#8217;s cool with that, and that pushing out an RSS feed implicitly gives such sites permission to use your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to it. Eric Berlin&#8217;s thoughts are here. And Frederic from The Last Podcast says he&#8217;s cool with that, and that pushing out an RSS feed implicitly gives such sites permission to use your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: You can&#8217;t claim an idea once it&#8217;s out there, just set it free &#171; Alexander van Elsas&#8217;s Weblog on new media &#38; technologies and their effect on social behavior</title>
		<link>http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008/04/11/go-ahead-steal-my-content/comment-page-1/#comment-49452</link>
		<dc:creator>You can&#8217;t claim an idea once it&#8217;s out there, just set it free &#171; Alexander van Elsas&#8217;s Weblog on new media &#38; technologies and their effect on social behavior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the Last Podcast takes a different view: The way I see this is that by publishing my feed, I give you consent to use it in services like [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What Shyftr does is content theft</title>
		<link>http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008/04/11/go-ahead-steal-my-content/comment-page-1/#comment-49449</link>
		<dc:creator>What Shyftr does is content theft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The idea is interesting, but Shyftr is doing this with out the consent of the original author, some think it is on to do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The idea is interesting, but Shyftr is doing this with out the consent of the original author, some think it is on to do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hung</title>
		<link>http://www.lastpodcast.net/2008/04/11/go-ahead-steal-my-content/comment-page-1/#comment-49428</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Louis -- sure its not new.  In fact its as old as the whole issue of RSS feeds.

But I suppose like the issue of &quot;A-lists: do they exist&quot; and &quot;Can you have a blog without comments&quot;, there are some memes that never die.

And I think if you&#039;re looking for differences, Plaxo&#039;s business plan doesn&#039;t rely on one aspect of it (Pulse) pulling full feeds.  Furthermore, its a relatively private service (splitting hairs, I know) that is behind a login.  

But the fact that its monetizing someone else&#039;s content?  Yeah, I have an issue with that as well, if you want me to be consistent. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Louis &#8212; sure its not new.  In fact its as old as the whole issue of RSS feeds.</p>
<p>But I suppose like the issue of &#8220;A-lists: do they exist&#8221; and &#8220;Can you have a blog without comments&#8221;, there are some memes that never die.</p>
<p>And I think if you&#8217;re looking for differences, Plaxo&#8217;s business plan doesn&#8217;t rely on one aspect of it (Pulse) pulling full feeds.  Furthermore, its a relatively private service (splitting hairs, I know) that is behind a login.  </p>
<p>But the fact that its monetizing someone else&#8217;s content?  Yeah, I have an issue with that as well, if you want me to be consistent. <img src='http://www.lastpodcast.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frederic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tony - fair enough - I agree that there is a difference between those services, but for me, as a &#039;publisher&#039; I don&#039;t really mind, as long as I get attribution. 

I wonder if it wouldn&#039;t be easy to just add a tag to an RSS feed saying whether it&#039;s ok or not to republish (fully or partly), use the feed in aggregators etc. Wouldn&#039;t be hard to add, I think.

@Sarah - I guess I have just given up on trying to keep track of the discussions. I see the discussions on the blog, in FriendFeed and  Yokway. If I miss something, I&#039;m ok with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony &#8211; fair enough &#8211; I agree that there is a difference between those services, but for me, as a &#8216;publisher&#8217; I don&#8217;t really mind, as long as I get attribution. </p>
<p>I wonder if it wouldn&#8217;t be easy to just add a tag to an RSS feed saying whether it&#8217;s ok or not to republish (fully or partly), use the feed in aggregators etc. Wouldn&#8217;t be hard to add, I think.</p>
<p>@Sarah &#8211; I guess I have just given up on trying to keep track of the discussions. I see the discussions on the blog, in FriendFeed and  Yokway. If I miss something, I&#8217;m ok with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it had to be one service or another that got the discussion under way. But even Plaxo Pulse offers full RSS feeds with comments that aren&#039;t going back to the blog. 

Original: Who Owns This Conversation?
http://therealmccrea.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/who-owns-this-conversation/

Plaxo Pulse: Who Owns This Conversation?
http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/events/show/43867506

So... Shyftr is being unfairly thrown under the bus, big time. This is called innovation, period. A year from now, this won&#039;t raise an eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it had to be one service or another that got the discussion under way. But even Plaxo Pulse offers full RSS feeds with comments that aren&#8217;t going back to the blog. </p>
<p>Original: Who Owns This Conversation?<br />
<a href="http://therealmccrea.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/who-owns-this-conversation/" rel="nofollow">http://therealmccrea.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/who-owns-this-conversation/</a></p>
<p>Plaxo Pulse: Who Owns This Conversation?<br />
<a href="http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/events/show/43867506" rel="nofollow">http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/events/show/43867506</a></p>
<p>So&#8230; Shyftr is being unfairly thrown under the bus, big time. This is called innovation, period. A year from now, this won&#8217;t raise an eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Hung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah -- one more thing.

The difference between Techmeme, Friendfeed, and RSSMeme vs. Tolou and Shyftr is that the latter group lifts your *entire* post.

The former only lifts a portion, which, I think is &quot;fair&quot; (use) any way you want to define it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8212; one more thing.</p>
<p>The difference between Techmeme, Friendfeed, and RSSMeme vs. Tolou and Shyftr is that the latter group lifts your *entire* post.</p>
<p>The former only lifts a portion, which, I think is &#8220;fair&#8221; (use) any way you want to define it.</p>
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